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The Failings Of A Democracy

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      The question I keep asking myself is "Are we getting what we bargained for when we voted at our latest civic election?" What do we expect? And how do we measure what we actually received? We start with the principle that we are living in a representative democracy. So what do the voting habits of eleven people indicate? Are their votes representative of the people who elected them? I don’t think so. Although I don’t think that what follows could be called surprising, I think it is somewhat illuminating and definitely thought provoking.

      Our City Council, not to mention the various sub-committees which include Metro Vancouver (all six Board members being Vision), is dominated by Vision Vancouver with a majority of eight including Mayor Robertson. While 144,823 people or 34.57% of registered voters cast ballots, only 84.60% were counted as valid for a total of 1,347,671 votes. Just 490,884 or a mere 36.42% of the votes, less than 11% of registered voters, voted for Vision. That doesn’t seem representative. And how much do Vision Council votes count for? 91% !!! Only 9% of successful voting at City Hall so far this term can be attributed to Councillors Affleck, Ball and Carr, and only if they happen to be voting with the Vision majority at the time.

      It’s almost like their voice is irrelevant. Is that what people want from their democracy, to be electing people with virtually no say in forming policy? Doesn’t this mean that those who support the elected minority also have no voice at City Hall? While apathy is no solution, it’s hard to convince those who are repeatedly ignored to help validate a distorted democratic process. Judging by the voter turnout, they don’t. Obviously we need to do something to stop this Vision Vancouver juggernaut from ramming their agenda down our throats.

 

      Not so fast. Vision Vancouver is not the problem. Those that were elected, including all eight Vision candidates, won a legitimate contest to determine who would be in charge for the next three years. It was what many consider to be a fair election. There was just one problem. The sleight of hand by which these people were elected is in itself an exercise in democratic deception. It may seem trivial but in fact, different voting methods produce different results and different governance structures. I’m sure most people have a passing awareness of the change at the national level since a majority government finally took office last year.

      Consider why we regularly have a majority local government and what effect that has on the voting patterns of Council. Simple, our at large system enables majority outcomes and we can infer the effect, although not necessarily the cause, by routine examination of all Council votes not receiving unanimous support. That stipulation applies to only 98 out of 751 Council votes as of July 31/12. The unanimous votes are predominantly mere formality and not included in this analysis.

 

      Let’s then look at the voting record of City Council. The simplest approach is to calculate the percentage rate of agreement between any pair of Councillors. Each Councillor’s rate can then be averaged and compared to an expected average. Increased levels of variation from an expected average should indicate a greater chance that the voting patterns are more than coincidence. As it turns out, there are three distinct categories. Any two Vision people are in agreement over 94% of the time and most of them are in 100% agreement. (In fact, the only instance of a rogue Vision substantive vote was made by Councillor Reimer, the other discrepancies being three consecutive votes which amount to a mockery of Council) The two NPA Councillors are only in agreement 92% while at the same time opposing the Vision vote between 73% - 84% of the time. Councillor Carr somehow manages to hold up fairly evenly between 36% - 42% agreement with all Councillors except Councillor Ball at 47%.

      The overall rate of agreement on the 98 votes in question is about 65% so we have to wonder why there are so many Councillors so distant at over 90% agreement rate. The degree to which excessively high disagreement rates are produced is equally alarming and is given equal weight in determining the distortion level inherent in the system. But can we be certain of the cause?

      Two answers seem plausible, genuine agreement which naturally draws them to their ideological party of choice or a consequence of the voting system that elected them. It’s also reasonable to expect it to be a combination of the two. It must be remembered of course that the resultant block voting is not necessarily indicative of wilful desire to abuse the power of the majority status, indeed minority votes tend to exhibit similar agreement rates. Rather this is indicative of the distortion of representation that we receive as a result of the method of voting chosen for the election. 

 

      While it must be pointed out that my attempt here is to show and as much as possible measure the flaws inherent in the at large system of voting, it is equally possible to ascertain the merits of an independent voice in an elected body. Using a formula and grading system devised for this purpose which enhances voting records closest to the expected agreement rate (somewhere between 50% and the overall rate of 65%), the "performance" of our Mayor and Councillors thus far can be seen below. It must be stressed that this is not an evaluation or opinion of the quality of their voting record. It is instead a measure of their independence from the other Council members and as such their effectiveness at overcoming a poor voting system.

      An attachment has been included to offer those interested an opportunity to look at the agreement rates. There is also some basic information regarding won/lost voting records and the disproportionate value of each Councillor’s vote. The final page gives a rough outline of some of the math involved in measuring the independent voice of each Councillor. It is only intended to show that numbers weren’t pulled out of thin air but unfortunately it’s a bit difficult to follow.

The Councillor’s "grades" from top to bottom are:

Adriane Carr             B

George Affleck          D

Elizabeth Ball            D-

Andrea Reimer          F

Raymond Louie         F

Tim Stevenson          F

Tony Tang                  F

Kerry Jang                  F

Heather Deal             F

Geoff Meggs               F

Gregor Robertson     F

 

I mentioned earlier that Vision Vancouver is not the problem but I feel they need to accept the lion’s share of blame for their part in retaining an obviously flawed system, as does the NPA. After all if one Councillor can overcome a shoddy electoral system, then others should also be able to demonstrate less partisan politics. Alternatively they may be willing to concede that it is the very nature of the system that causes the partisanship and inevitable disproportionate representation. And while it is true that the provincial government sets the rules for civic elections, our leaders should not use that as an excuse.

 

      It should be noted that there is also a strong correlation between the above list and the difference for each Council member between their election percentage vote and their successful Council vote percentage. For instance Councillor Carr received 4.04% of the vote in the election and her successful votes in Council account for 4.84%. Vision Vancouver members are at the higher distorted end with Councillor Tang leading the way at nearly 3 times his November vote percentage.

      That actually illustrates another issue which this analysis brings into view. A look at the election results show just how close that tenth Councillor spot was, only 90 votes or less than .01% between Adriane Carr (48,648) and Ellen Woodsworth (48,558) with Bill Yuen (48,407) only another 151 votes behind that. In fact 7 NPA and 2 COPE candidates were extremely close to getting in, all within that magical 9,400 vote difference. Right now you’re thinking, "What does he mean close? Am I missing something?" Well, you probably are. What isn’t obvious is that Raymond Louie received the most votes (63,273) while Tony Tang (53,874) received the fewest for a Vision candidate. This means that at least 9,399 people voted to be represented by Raymond Louie but did not feel comfortable with the way Tony Tang might vote if elected to City Council. Yet of the 69 Council votes where both of them have been in attendance, not once have they voted differently. I suppose only time will tell if those people who perhaps could have been the difference for any one of nine candidates, feel that they got what they expected when they voted for only one half of an electorally indistinguishable pair.

 

      I hope this article helps to highlight the deficiencies of the at large voting system. Our current voting system is one of the worst. That is why many people including COPE supporters have been lobbying for change to a ward system but sadly that is not much better. Basically the problem is that unless there is significant difference in the voting habits of the elected representatives of any one party, then anybody that would vote for a member of that party can be reasonably expected to vote for every member of that party. The vote degenerates into which party leader is elected Mayor. Subsequently, to be safe in the next election, Councillors may choose to "go along" with their party vote more often than if given free rein to voice their honest opinion. Or possibly every member of that party agrees on everything in the universe all the time. Possible, but unlikely.

      I will check back in a few months with updated voting patterns and another report card. Perhaps some of our Councillors will endeavour to break ranks from their current alliances. Possible, but also unlikely.

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Comments

Pro-rep voting system for Vancouver

Pro-rep voting system for Vancouver

Grant Fraser's article is mostly good.  I'd add, though, that a switch to pro-rep (proportional representation, with or without wards) and to adequate campaign finance restrictions and to a 95% voter turn-out would make Vancouver democratic.

I disagree, however, with his idea that representatives should be valued more if they stray more from their party line and from voting with their party. 

I think that the better the party, the better their policy and the less a partisan representative SHOULD stray from it.

Voters don't want to take the time to get to know every candidate personally, which is why they vote for a party they like, hoping that that party's representatives will vote with their party--unless of course that party tries to brow-beat or bribe them into voting for something bad or corrupt.

I don't see how voting independently would overcome the negatives of the voting system. 

Only voting for a new voting system can do that (or for people who will vote for a new pro-rep voting system, such as Greens).

Does Fraser think that a couple of Visioneers should vote like COPErs in order to make the vote outcomes the same as if 2 COPErs had been elected--as they should have been, to be fair and proportional?

Korky Day, 2012 9 11 http://vancouver.mediacoop.ca/blog/grant-fraser/12611

Thanks Korky for making some

Thanks Korky for making some good points.  No, I do not think that anyone should be voting as someone else.  The point is that as a result, we get the party vote.  And of course you're right, a good party line should have strong consensus.  But what is good policy?  Everybody has a different opinion but with party politics there can only be as many opinions as parties.

This was never intended to discern good voting from bad voting, that's up to an individual voter's opinion.  Rather it's a comment on the voting system as a whole.  Does any group of individuals depress the system by their regular partisanship or opposition?  That's also an individual opinion.  You know where I stand.

A couple of questions Korky.  No doubt 95% voter turnout is great but how can that be accomplished?  That can't be reasonably mandated as pro-rep and campaign finance can and should be reformed.

"Voters don't  . . . . get to know every candidate personally, which is why they vote for a party"

I'm wondering what percentage would you say take that approach and if large enough should we simply accept that and have the voting simplified to party only?  We could certainly cut costs by needing only the one representative.

My answers to author's questions

You wrote, "there can only be as many opinions as parties."

That's why I campaign for pro-rep, which allows many parties a chance to get elected.

It would also help to have a larger city council, since Vancouver is now much larger than when we first had 10 councillors many decades ago.

You wrote, "95% voter turnout . . . can't be reasonably mandated. . . ."  False.  It is easy to do.  Australia does it.  They fine you for not going to the polls.  9 years ago I published an even better way to do it:  voter tax rebate (instead of fines).  As you leave the poll, you get your 50$ rebate cheque or direct deposit into your bank or credit union account.  (You can spoil your ballot or turn in a blank ballot and still get your rebate.)  My plan is totally revenue-neutral, as taxes are raised by the same amount as are paid out in rebates.  Any tax or taxes can be raised for this: property tax, sales tax, gas tax, sugar tax, etc.

I'd guess that voters prefer to vote for party candidates 75% of the time, and that 22% would generally prefer independents (but seldom vote for them for fear of "wasting" their votes on hopeless candidates), and that 3% of votes actually go to independents.

But if we switched to pro-rep, after a while most of those 22% would change their minds to prefering party candidates because under pro-rep, the parties would actually improve themselves and council would function better thereby.

Also because independent candidates usually wouldn't turn out to be as good as hoped.

You wrote, "should we . . . have the voting simplified to party only?"

No!  Then the voter feels disempowered.  The extra costs are neglible.

You wrote, "We could certainly cut costs by needing only the one representative."

I don't understand.  What "one representative"?  We need 10 representatives on city council, not one.

For council, 28 party candidates stood for election in 2011, and 13 independent candidates, including you.  More or fewer candidates does not significantly alter the cost to the public.  Democracy does cost a bit.

Plenty of agreement but . . .

I also campaign for pro-rep.  And I agree that voter habits would change as a result, it's a win-win situation.  I also think we need an expanded Council.  I will only go so far as to HOPE that parties will improve.  It sounds perfectly reasonable but there is an underlying problem to any democracy.  Wish it wasn't so but money and power tend to bring the people we least want as leaders into the political arena.

Sorry you didn't catch the sarcasm in my last paragraph.  Voting for a group party line instead of individual representatives is the same as having one unified voice.  That is your one representative, the rest of the elected are then $600K and change in wasted money each year on salaries.  I'm not suggesting this should be done, just pointing out the problem of voting for parties that seem to believe in clone voting.

The only thing I think we really disagree about is your view of the Australian mandatory voting idea.  Remember I said REASONABLY mandated.  It isn't only Australia by the way but in my opinion it is not only unreasonable but at the very least pointless and perhaps detrimental.  Counting a forced spoiled ballot as increased voter turnout is ridiculous. 

95% turnout?  Sure, but 95% of those vote the party line, how many giving no thought to their actions?  Fear and ignorance should not be a basis for electing a government.  Let's see if we can't first find an alternative that could create a more informed and concerned electorate.

And thanks again for your thoughts.  I hope others will start or continue conversations aimed at changing the status quo.  Even if we don't agree on the changes desired, we should at least be able to agree that what we have doesn't work.  We need to move forward through electoral reform instead of going in circles arguing over which way is best.  For what it's worth I wish you well in campaigning for mandatory voting.  I could live with it if we had pro-rep at the same time.

Barefoot Elections, Chambre of the People, Voter Tax Rebate

The author is good for discussing the real issues here.  I tip my hat to him.

The problem of the worst people getting into politics wouldn't be nearly so bad if we had public financing of election campaigns, ideally my plan called "Barefoot Elections", but campaign finance restrictions are a start.

Another of my plans puts regular people into office, picked at random and thus much less likely to be corrupt.  It's called "Chambre of the People".  It's a 3rd house of Parliament, in addition to the House of Commons and the Senate.

Grant Fraser writes above as if he undervalues having a strong elected opposition.  They can win many struggles by embarrassing the majority.

I don't know where Grant gets his pessimism about Australian voting.  Hasn't he noticed the strong working class vote in Australia?  That's no accident.  Compare it to Canada, where most of the working class doesn't vote and only a tiny portion of the idle poor vote.  And ironically it is the poor who most need improved government.

He wrote, "Counting a forced spoiled ballot as increased voter turnout is ridiculous."  Not at all!  Then we know in most cases that they really wanted to spoil their ballot, which is sending an anarchistic message, most likely, and not that they were just too unmotivated to send us any message at all.  Australia doen't have a big problem with spoiled or blank ballots because when people grow up in a country where everyone votes, they are much more motivated to inform themselves politically.  "Everyone" (almost) does it.  They do have a mild problem with "donkey voting", but nothing that can't be solved with a small pinch of innovation.

Perhaps Grant has never worked at the polls.  I have many times.  I was a poll captain for the NDP before I switched to the Greens in 1996.  The main eye-opener for me was that almost all the campaign money and volunteering was wasted on getting reluctant voters actually to go to the polls.  With mandatory voting, or better, my "Voter Tax Rebate", the parties and candidates don't have to spend any time "getting out the vote" and can spend all their efforts on discussing the issues.

Grant continues, "Fear and ignorance should not be a basis for electing a government."  It is not in Australia, in spite of Grant's implication.  That's because the Australian voters have no fear of spoiling their ballots.  There is no punishment or even embarrassment for that because no one knows.  It's a secret ballot, which was practically invented in Australia. 

In Australia they don't vote for candidates in ignorance except for the aforementioned "donkey vote", which could be ameliorated in 2 ways.  One, make it more obvious to the voter how easily to cast a spoiled or blank ballot.  Two, randomize the order of candidates on the ballots so that candidates who are at the top of every ballot don't have an unfair advantage. 

We have a similar problem in Vancouver, so it is not the fault of the Australian system.  On Vancouver City Council all 3 of the opposition have surnames beginning with A, B, and C:   Affleck, Ball, and Carr.  How obvious and disgraceful!  Council is too cowardly to change that, though it has been pointed out to them many times (every election for 40 years that I remember).

We can do much more to inform the public.  For instance, candidate debates should be mandatory and broadcast.  They would be much better if broken down into one-on-one debates, not 28 candidates on stage at once.  And timed to give each candidate equal time.

Most of these ideas have been talked about for decades, if not generations.  People must get off their bums and demand change.  Everybody, join Grant Fraser and me in this effort!

voting of elected officials

Grant you have outdone yourself in the numerical analysis department.

My experience as a municipal elected official gave me a little insight into the whys and wherefors of the actual voting process, and there are many intrinsic factors which influence voting, or the absence of voting.  For your reading enjoyment, here are a few:

1 - Do as they're told, without thinking too much about it. (COPE, VISION block (head) voting technique)

2 - Vote against the wishes of their party, and damn the torpedoes.

3 - Vote according to the wishes of the electorate, or the interested party (i.e. vote against the Vancouver Aquarium on behalf of the captive marine creatures or to reflect changing community values about animal slavery).

4 - Take that brown envelope and if it's well enough stuffed, follow the voting instructions therein.

5 - Vote according to your ethics and shock the shit out of everyone.

6 - Avoid voting by hanging out in the bathroom, hallway, parking lot....or be late for the vote....oops!

7 - Demand an in-camera vote to keep your nasty voting habits from the electorate.

8 - Declare a possible conflict of interest cause you know we know what you're up to and will spill the beans, and sit out of the vote.

9 - Hide your conflict of interest and vote on something you shouldn't all the while hoping your trickery will not be discovered...and if it is, look all innocent

10 - Abstain (from voting silly!).

 

 

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